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zex- 04-25-2007
tournament shit
we had a general agreement that for our tournament we should have limits on pokemon, these tiers are done by stats and other shit and we basically think you should just have 1 tier 1, and the rest is fair game, itd be real annoying cause if someone wanted to win theyd just make a tier1 lineup so TIER 1: Uber Deoxys Deoxys-fr Deoxys-lg Deoxys-e Groudon Ho-oh Kyogre Latias Latios Lugia Mew Mewtwo Rayquaza Wobbuffet TIER 2: Very OU Blissey Celebi Heracross Jirachi Metagross Salamence Skarmory Snorlax Suicune Swampert Tyranitar Zapdos TIER 3: OU Aerodactyl Alakazam Donphan Dugtrio Dusclops Gengar Gyarados Jolteon Magneton Medicham Milotic Raikou Sceptile Slaking Starmie Weezing TIER 4: Semi-OU Articuno Blaziken Breloom Claydol Dragonite Flygon Gardevoir Machamp Miltank Ninjask Moltres Regice Regirock Rhydon Steelix Tauros Umbreon Vaporeon Venusaur TIER 5: Borderline Arcanine Armaldo Charizard Cloyster Cradily Crobat Dodrio Entei Espeon Exeggutor Forretress Hariyama Houndoom Jumpluff Jynx Kingdra Lapras Ludicolo Marowak Muk Porygon2 Registeel Scizor Slowbro Smeargle Swellow Tentacruel Typhlosion Ursaring Zangoose TIER 6: Good Underused Absol Aggron Ampharos Banette Blastoise Camerupt Clefable Electabuzz Fearow Gligar Golduck Golem Gorebyss Granbull Grumpig Hitmonlee Hypno Kangaskhan Lanturn Linoone Lunatone Manectric Meganium Mr. Mime Nidoking Omastar Piloswine Pinsir Poliwrath Primeape Quagsire Sandslash Scyther Sharpedo Shedinja Solrock Vileplume TIER 7: Underused Altaria Azumarill Cacturne Dunsparce Exploud Feraligatr Flareon Girafarig Hitmontop Huntail Kabutops Magmar Misdreavus Muk Nidoqueen Octillery Persian Qwilfish Raichu Sableye Shiftry Slowking Victreebel Xatu Walrein Yanma TIER 8: Lesser UU Arbok Electrode Kecleon Kingler Mantine Ninetales Politoed Rapidash Seviper Stantler Wigglytuff TIER 9: NU Ariados Bellossom Castform Chimecho Crawdaunt Dewgong Farfetch'd Furret Glalie Hitmonchan Lickitung Mawile Murkrow Noctowl Nosepass Parasect Minun Raticate Pidgeot Relicanth Pelipper Plusle Seaking Shuckle Sneasel Sudowoodo Sunflora Swalot Tangela Torkoal Tropius Venomoth Volbeat Wailord Whiscash TIER 10: Lesser NU Aipom Beautifly Beedrill Butterfree Corsola Delcatty Delibird Dustox Illumise Ledian Magcargo Masquerain Mightyena Roselia Spinda Togetic TIER 11: ... Ditto Luvdisc Unown

Chozo- 04-25-2007

The big problem is that, since it's a brave new world, the tiers aren't set in stone. I mean, realistically the only reason Wobby was banned in Advance generation is mostly because two Wobbies with leftovers that got sent out at the same time would result in a game lasting forever (since the struggle damage and recoil would be less than what Leftovers heals). In D/P Shadow Tag got changed so that two Pokemon with Shadow Tag can switch out on each other, there's an item (Shed Skin) that'll let you switch out regardless of Mean Look/Shadow Tag/Arena Trap/et al, there are tons of new attacks that are super effective against Wobby, and Spiritomb shuts Wobbufett down completely. Not only that, but if you allow one uber per team it basically comes down to whose side loses their uber first, which is kinda meh.

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